Interview with Dr. Khushal Rohi for Dawat
Note: This interview was originally published in issue 254 of Dawat magazine and is now presented to the readers and followers of Dawat Media 24.
Dawat Media: What is your view on the current situation in Afghanistan?
Dr. Khushal Rohi:
There is no doubt that after several decades of continuous war, the heavy fighting in Afghanistan has stopped, the central government controls the entire geography of the country, the “islands of power” have been eliminated, and some reconstruction work is underway. Unfortunately, due to a number of other negative factors—especially the flawed policies of the authorities—these limited gains are under both potential and actual threats.
The Taliban have two golden opportunities. On one hand, the region’s and the world’s key players seem to have little appetite for renewed war in Afghanistan. So far, they have not provided significant support to warmongers or even to the Taliban’s political opponents. As far as I know, despite many problems and shortcomings, there is still willingness to engage with the Taliban. Some Western diplomats I’ve met say they have agreed among themselves on three points:
Regional countries, while seriously concerned about extremism and terrorism from Afghan soil, are trying to encourage Taliban cooperation through economic engagement.
On the other hand, inside Afghanistan, people are weary from long wars and the dominance of warlords, mafias, and ethnic power brokers. For this reason, despite serious challenges, they have not yet mobilized for rebellion.
Sadly, despite these golden opportunities, the Taliban have not learned from the past. They have clung to failed models of monopoly, authoritarianism, and extremism, once again exposing the country to new threats and challenges. We see that the gap between the Taliban, the public, and the international community is widening daily. At any moment, regional and global scenarios could shift, and the current opportunities could vanish. People are tired of the Taliban’s authoritarian and exclusionary policies. While they may accept the relative security for a while longer, they are now aware, familiar with civil liberties and development, and no longer limit their expectations solely to security as in the previous Emirate era.
Dawat Media: At present, what kind of danger do you think Afghanistan faces?
Dr. Khushal Rohi:
We can see that some former groups and strongmen are trying to convince the international community to fund war projects. Although the world has shown little interest so far, if the Taliban continue with their extremism and madrassa-driven jihadist agenda, such war projects might again find backers. When poverty and unemployment reach crisis levels, when people feel alienated from the system or oppressed and marginalized, it becomes easy and cheap to recruit fighters. Therefore, alongside poverty, hunger, extremism, and isolation, we cannot ignore the potential for renewed conflict. In my view, this is the greatest danger.
Dawat Media: Three years have passed since the Taliban took power. How do you assess their governance?
Dr. Khushal Rohi:
Although, fortunately, the heavy war has ended and the islands of power have disappeared, Afghanistan has not emerged from crisis and still depends on foreign aid. The Taliban have failed to gain national and international legitimacy or establish the rule of law. They still view the world as an enemy and their people as hostages. Civil liberties and human rights are trampled; personal privacy is unsafe; media and freedom of expression face severe censorship; and women, in particular, have been deprived of many fundamental rights and systematically excluded from political, social, and economic life.
The country’s human resource capacity has suffered greatly: hundreds of thousands of professionals have left or are leaving, and millions face the hardships of migration. As a result, people feel no security in any aspect of life and have little hope for the future. So, in my opinion, while the Taliban have been relatively successful in security matters, they have failed in other areas.
Dawat Media: Why do the Taliban adopt stances against national and international public opinion, creating trouble for themselves?
Dr. Khushal Rohi:
I see two main reasons. First, the Taliban have not yet moved beyond the mindset of war and jihad. As a government, they neither fully understand their responsibilities toward the people and the international community nor trust them—instead seeing them with suspicion or even hostility. They believe they defeated the world and NATO and took power by force, and they rely on force to maintain it. But previous regimes also took power by force and ruled through force—none of them lasted. At first, people are usually patient and wait for reforms, but when they lose hope and turn away from the system, even the strongest governments collapse.
Second, although Taliban leaders are not all of one mind, those who hold real decision-making power believe that the “Sharia system” requires what they are doing, and they see success in angering the so-called infidels. As for the people, they believe they are misguided and should be grateful for being pardoned. While there are signs of dissatisfaction among some Taliban leaders with current policies, so far they have not stood up to the leader’s decisions nor succeeded in changing them.
Dawat Media: Could you please provide information to the readers of Dawat Media about the National Axis Party, which you lead?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: The National Axis began its journey about 15 years ago under the name “Wakeful Afghan” as a social reform movement focused heavily on awakening society, transparency, and reform. At that time, it fought against ignorance, violence, corruption, and division. Later, two other youth movements—”Wakeful Youth” and “Today’s Youth Civil Society”—joined, and together they formed a political movement called the Afghan National Movement, which fought for peace, social justice, independence, and democracy. In this context, the movement organized several important rallies and campaigns.
Given the need for a national-wide political party in Afghanistan, the Afghan National Movement decided to organize its activities as a political party. In 2016, it held its first congress and announced the formation of a political party, changing its name from Afghan National Movement to National Axis.
While some of the goals of the National Axis may also appear in the charters of other parties, the National Axis has certain distinctive features:
Dawat Media: Many ethnic opponents of the Taliban complain about the government’s ethnic monopolization. What do you say about the fact that the Taliban have given power only to Pashtuns or their like-minded Taliban members? To put the question differently, do the Taliban truly represent the Pashtun nation or not?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: Although there are other ethnic groups within the Taliban’s composition, there is no doubt that the Taliban movement first emerged from southwestern Afghanistan, and the majority of its members are Pashtuns. Unfortunately, in recent decades, most organizations or parties formed have a dominant ethnic element, such as the Nizar Shura, Dostum’s National Movement, Mazari’s National Unity, and others. But historical experiences have proven that they have exploited their own ethnic groups and caused the most harm to their own people.
Although the majority of the Taliban are Pashtuns, they do not have an ethnic agenda; rather, their agenda is ideological, and in this agenda, no one except the Taliban fits. They do not even accept those Pashtun religious scholars who were not part of their movement. With the Taliban’s rise, protests occurred in many Pashtun-populated areas, and the national flag was defended, but these were harshly suppressed. Also, we have witnessed many arrests and mysterious killings in these areas. Moreover, most enlightened Pashtuns have strongly opposed the Taliban’s policies and monopolistic rule, and like any other ethnic group, Pashtun intellectuals do not see themselves represented in the Taliban government and view it with suspicion. Unfortunately, ethnic groups and individuals who in the past fueled ethnic discord are still trying to use the Taliban against the Pashtuns for their own ethnic interests. In short, the Taliban neither truly represent the Pashtuns nor benefit them; rather, Pashtuns suffer the most harm.
Dawat Media: In the Taliban government, all key positions are held by religious clerics, while professional and expert cadres have been sidelined, and many have left the country. How do you see Afghanistan’s development under these circumstances, and how do you view the new rulers’ treatment of the professional and educated class?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: Taliban monopoly has many consequences:
Dawat Media: Many ethnic opponents of the Taliban government complain about ethnic monopolization and try to get money and weapons from foreign intelligence to create insecurity inside the country. What do you think about this?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: From what I know, not only the ethnic opponents of the Taliban, but also former warlords, mafias, and ethnic power brokers are trying to use the war to gain power, strength, and personal benefits, and to fuel another conflict in Afghanistan. I believe Afghanistan can no longer bear wars, and wars have no results except loss. Naturally, wars are fought with foreign money and weapons, which come with foreign conditions, hands, goals, and intelligence. Since these wars are not led by a national leadership, they pave the way for ethnic, religious, and party wars, foreign conspiracies, and foreign occupation. We have experienced 45 consecutive years of wars, hatred, enmity, and discord, and are still not freed from miseries. If we could fight for 45 years, can we not try a few years of peaceful struggle? Though I am strictly against war and believe in peaceful struggle, reform, and change, if war is the last option, many other options should be exhausted first. Have we succeeded in uniting under a national umbrella and forming a national alternative? If we want to arm people and send them to war at the cost of their lives, can we bring even a thousand people out for peaceful protests? Have we tried strikes and civil resistance before war? In short, have we gained the people’s trust to consider us their representatives and saviors?
Though the path of tolerance, civil resistance, and peaceful struggle may be long, it fundamentally solves problems and truly saves the country from crisis and instability. War is seen as a shortcut, but experience shows every war ends in another war and disaster because our wars are foreign, with foreign goals and power.
In my view, the time has come to use tolerance, give space to love, understanding, and unity, and end tyranny, despotism, monopolization, violence, extremism, and wars through civil resistance and peaceful change.
Dawat Media: How do you assess Afghanistan’s relations with regional and foreign countries?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: The Taliban’s relations with regional countries are relatively good, and several factors play a role:
Regarding the West, they oppose war in Afghanistan but have not shown interest in supporting Taliban armed or political opponents. They want to avoid a humanitarian crisis and total integration of Afghanistan into the Russia-China-Iran bloc, so they try to keep channels open and assist Afghanistan’s economy via humanitarian aid. Terrorism, large migrations, and drugs are major concerns. They will not recognize the Taliban regime officially, especially due to extremist human rights violations, notably women’s rights. Some Arab countries, especially Qatar, UAE, and Turkey, try to expand influence in Afghanistan but mostly align with Western positions.
Overall, relations with the region and world are fragile and prone to deterioration due to Taliban mistakes or political changes in these countries. Current golden opportunities may be lost.
Dawat Media: Does the Taliban administration have the capability to use Pakistan’s troubled situation for Afghanistan’s benefit?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: In the last half-century, we have suffered great losses and threats from Pakistan. Though Pakistan has succeeded in preventing Afghanistan’s full independence and maintains political and intelligence influence, their hopes for a puppet government and official recognition of the Durand Line have turned into disappointment. Now they face consequences for policies that have invested in fire and blood and are paying back in the same way.
Pakistan is going through a deep political, social, and economic crisis with dangerous instability. However, the Taliban regime still hasn’t firmly established itself, nor obtained national or international legitimacy. Pakistan still has tools of pressure and instability like ISIS and former organizations, and could make deals with the US against the Taliban, challenging their rule.
In my view, it is important that the Taliban government is not under Pakistan’s command, but it is not in Afghanistan’s interest to escalate hostility and confrontation with Pakistan. The Taliban should focus on their system’s legitimacy, gain their people’s support, and address international concerns before any regional confrontation. If Pakistan’s crisis factors are left to their natural course and Afghanistan pursues its national cause wisely, this will immediately benefit us.
Dawat Media: Afghans living abroad are generally dispersed and scattered. Where does the problem lie? Why can’t Afghans, like other ethnic groups, unite in one place?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: Over the past half-century, Afghanistan has experienced very deep crises and severe wars, and military, intelligence, ideological, and cultural invasions, along with authoritarian, monopolistic, and extremist regimes, have caused political and social divisions among the people. This has led to distrust, violence, and a culture of self-destruction, closing the doors to tolerance, mutual acceptance, and understanding. In my opinion, given these deep crises, these problems are quite natural. I estimate that if some other countries had faced such prolonged wars and major invasions, they might have lost their national sovereignty, geographical existence, and unity forever. Certainly, problems exist, but if Afghan elites use prudence and wisdom, these problems are not so deep that they cannot be resolved. The most effective way in this regard is a national dialogue. Although scattered efforts are seen in this area, it is hoped that these efforts become organized and coherent. Usually, after prolonged conflicts, a process of national dialogue is needed for peace, national reconciliation, and unity. This process is not completed in a few meetings or conferences but is a long-term process encompassing all sides and important issues. Hopefully, Afghans living abroad will also reach understanding and unity based on their commonalities and shared national interests through dialogue and will fulfill their national responsibilities towards their country.
Dawat Media: What can Afghans living abroad do for their country and people, and what should they do?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: Although migration brings many problems and hardships, it also plays a significant role in the development of civilizations and societies. Many civilizations have emerged as a result of these migrations. Migrants bring knowledge and experiences from their homeland, and at the same time, to survive and improve their lives, they have to leave their comfort zones in the new homeland, work hard, learn science and professions, and engage in business. Migrants who preserve their spiritual and cultural values and maintain connections with their people have greatly helped their countries, like the Jewish diaspora. Afghans, who over the past half-century migrated due to misfortunes and wars in their country, have acquired knowledge, skills, professions, and accumulated capital, and some have even entered the political systems of their host countries. If national or at least responsible governments were in power in Afghanistan, they could benefit greatly from the capacities of the Afghan diaspora. Since recently most of Afghanistan’s elites and cadres have left the country, in my opinion, the Afghan diaspora should not remain idle waiting for ideal governments but should support their compatriots in these difficult days. We need to build communities and networks within the Afghan diaspora that, beyond politics and differences, objectively identify national interests and needs, develop plans and strategies in these areas, and create opportunities to utilize the capacities of the Afghan diaspora. We may not like the regimes inside the country, but we can help in areas that enable the country to stand on its own feet and pave the way for an ideal system. Diaspora networks can use the scientific, technical, economic, cultural, and even sports capacities of the diaspora within the framework of practical plans for the benefit of the homeland.
Currently, many national, political, and social figures have left the country, and based on national interests and values, they can and indeed have the responsibility to create a large national-political platform that carries out its national mission for lasting peace, stability, independence, development, and prosperity through reform and peaceful change in the country.
Dawat Media: Finally, please share your opinion about the Dawat Media Center and Dawat Magazine, as Dawat is celebrating its 36th anniversary. What is your evaluation of Dawat Magazine and Dawat Media Center?
Dr. Khushal Rohi: First, Mr. Bazgar, I sincerely congratulate you and your colleagues on the 36th anniversary of Dawat and thank you, wishing you abundant rewards from Allah. I know how hard it is to run a national media outlet for 36 years with empty hands — on the one hand earning livelihood for the children, and on the other dedicating time to a national media outlet, especially during the country’s many critical situations when many media outlets have fallen. Considering national interests and values and striving for national unity is very hard work. The pride and happiness is that Dawat has not only continued its path until now but has expanded its activities from a magazine to a media center and has also started publishing valuable books. Although during the republic period media were given much freedom and good growth opportunities, unfortunately some media prioritized personal, organizational, and ethnic interests over national interests and values, not only neglecting national interests but causing much damage, and even today some exiled media work for national discord. Considering these problems, national media like Dawat are seriously needed, and my hope is that you continue this national mission with high spirit, strong determination, and broad patience. I also urge national figures to respond positively to Dawat and spare no assistance. Also, given the digital revolution era with rapid and astonishing media advancements, I hope Dawat can convey the voice of the Afghan nation faster, louder, and with integrity to everyone.
Thank you very much.
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